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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk
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There will be at least one focussed spanish combat before the end of the series. I cant say more than that :-)

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September 23, 2015 at 3:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Keith Lange
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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 23, 2015 at 3:13 AM

There will be at least one focussed spanish combat before the end of the series. I cant say more than that :-)

Do you have a idea of the Spanish units that will feature in RG, and what will they have? Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind my asking.

September 26, 2015 at 3:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I would think the Azul and Franco Divisions will figure in some way :-)

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September 27, 2015 at 4:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 27, 2015 at 4:57 AM

I would think the Azul and Franco Divisions will figure in some way :-)

I've never hear of the Franco Divison. Could you please tell me more about it? Is it like the Azul?

September 29, 2015 at 3:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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SPOILERS! The Azul and Franco Divisions landed in Poland in the second wave. Neither existed as I write them. the Azul was based on men recalled to teh flag for another crack at the communists. The Franco division is simply an extension of Azul, with  more men who had experience in Russia during WW2.

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September 29, 2015 at 5:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 29, 2015 at 5:07 AM

SPOILERS! The Azul and Franco Divisions landed in Poland in the second wave. Neither existed as I write them. the Azul was based on men recalled to teh flag for another crack at the communists. The Franco division is simply an extension of Azul, with  more men who had experience in Russia during WW2.

So they both had just German equipment, then?

October 2, 2015 at 2:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Azul and Franco divisions drew mainly German equipment because of their familiarity. However, I believe I decided they would have british artillery weapons, as there was a bit spare when they were formed.

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October 2, 2015 at 3:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 2, 2015 at 3:21 AM

Azul and Franco divisions drew mainly German equipment because of their familiarity. However, I believe I decided they would have british artillery weapons, as there was a bit spare when they were formed.

Any other British or other non-German equpiment?

October 3, 2015 at 1:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Ubiquitous Bofors of course, sourced from anywhere. I would suspect that transport would be mainluy US or British.

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October 5, 2015 at 2:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 5, 2015 at 2:52 AM

Ubiquitous Bofors of course, sourced from anywhere. I would suspect that transport would be mainluy US or British.

So, rifles and machine guns would be German alone then? I remember that in Sacrifice, the SPanish  apparently had US bazookas.Which reminds me-would the 3.5 in super bazooka be in service in RG by then? After all, it was type classified on Oct. 11, 1945 as the M20 and M20B1 launchers. So wouldn't the Soviet invasion be a motivation to start production a bit earlier than in RL?

October 6, 2015 at 1:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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the 3.5" are all out in the Far East at one time. SOme will be back in hand for whatever happens there, or in Europe in the next volume.  As ever, the bringing forward of RL into RG is one that I do cautiously. For instance... the T-54. Need identified, capability available, so its in. Tortoise, need identified? not at all, so its out. The Garand with high volume mag? Its in cos it woudl be an easy fix. etc etc. the Germans wouldnt build king tigers or tigers, but panthers and jagdpanthers yes. I go through these things regularly to establish what is going to get a look in.


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October 6, 2015 at 3:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 6, 2015 at 3:31 AM

the 3.5" are all out in the Far East at one time. SOme will be back in hand for whatever happens there, or in Europe in the next volume.  As ever, the bringing forward of RL into RG is one that I do cautiously. For instance... the T-54. Need identified, capability available, so its in. Tortoise, need identified? not at all, so its out. The Garand with high volume mag? Its in cos it woudl be an easy fix. etc etc. the Germans wouldnt build king tigers or tigers, but panthers and jagdpanthers yes. I go through these things regularly to establish what is going to get a look in.


So the M20 Super Bazooka is in RG, but in China, not Europe then? I would think that the prescence of IS-2s and 3s, and the introduction of the T-44 and T-54 would mandate it being rushed into production and sent off to Europe. Also, something just occured to me. Would the Azul and Franco have any Spanish weapons, such as Star Z-45 subguns, M1944 Mausers, or Alfa 44 or Fusil Automático Oviedo machine guns? Or would they stick to just German?

October 7, 2015 at 12:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Unless Im missing something, they would have neither the need nor the logistical slack to do so, although they woudl have initially trained with all. i dont doubt that, as in WW2, service pistols were retained, and a number of those would be astra or ruby pieces.

As always, I can only intriduce new thinsg in stages, otherwise the books might appear to a procession of sparkling new weaponry and little else!

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October 7, 2015 at 3:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at January 13, 2015 at 3:38 AM

Bound to have burgled some US kit from next door neighbours and the like :-)

Would that be small arms or artillery, just out of curiosity?

October 8, 2015 at 12:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I think you need to look at what they would need that would offer advantages over what they have. Clearly, anyone who gets his hands on a garand has the best infantry rifle of WW2, so that would be a prized possession, as would be the ma-deuce. Bazookas most probably too. The issue when fighting the russian at that time was firepower in the first instance [as I see it anyway]. get the bullets in the air in numbers. The effective anti-tank weapons would also have been needed of course.

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October 8, 2015 at 3:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 8, 2015 at 3:28 AM

I think you need to look at what they would need that would offer advantages over what they have. Clearly, anyone who gets his hands on a garand has the best infantry rifle of WW2, so that would be a prized possession, as would be the ma-deuce. Bazookas most probably too. The issue when fighting the russian at that time was firepower in the first instance [as I see it anyway]. get the bullets in the air in numbers. The effective anti-tank weapons would also have been needed of course.

I don't see the 22th division as having Garands. I don't think the US has manufactured enough of them yet to heavily give them out. I figured them as having some Springfields, after all, you were thinking about giving some of them to the Spanish, and the US probably had quite a few laying around. Bazookas and heavy machine guns is certainly a possiblity.

October 9, 2015 at 1:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Springfields might have a training implication obviously, so I would be more likelyto give them Kars. However, logistics would dictate issue. garands woudl be prized pieces, but probably not issued in numbers, if issued at all. similarly, ST44s woudl be coveted. It woudl be reasonable to say that I have given thos less depth of thought than you lol

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October 9, 2015 at 3:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 9, 2015 at 3:23 AM

Springfields might have a training implication obviously, so I would be more likelyto give them Kars. However, logistics would dictate issue. garands woudl be prized pieces, but probably not issued in numbers, if issued at all. similarly, ST44s woudl be coveted. It woudl be reasonable to say that I have given thos less depth of thought than you lol

I know, but I thought that maybe afew op relative few of the 22th might well have obtained Springfields. After all, as part of the rearming of the Spanish Army for the war effort, they received some non German small arms. Though most of them would have Kar Mausers.  And I apologize if I ask too much. SOmetimes I get curious about various matters.

October 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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No apology needed. I welcome the interaction.

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October 9, 2015 at 2:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 9, 2015 at 3:23 AM

Springfields might have a training implication obviously, so I would be more likelyto give them Kars. However, logistics would dictate issue. garands woudl be prized pieces, but probably not issued in numbers, if issued at all. similarly, ST44s woudl be coveted. It woudl be reasonable to say that I have given thos less depth of thought than you lol

I wouldn't expect Garands to wind up in the Spanish 22th's hands; however, the US units they were in contact with no doubt suffered casualities, and thus there were Garands lying around. Maybe they could well have obtained some of them. Also, where would they get ST44s?

October 10, 2015 at 4:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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