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Keith Lange
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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at April 1, 2016 at 2:10 AM

Not really, over and above any they picked up along the way. The key issue for me tends to be logistics, and multi types ruins logistic support.

Yeah, because there's at least three different calibers to begin with. First off, the Allies gave their new Spanish friends at least a fair number of German rifles captured in North Africa. The standard German rifle, as you know, was the Mauser type kar98k, which was 7.92mm. Also mentioned was rifles taken from the Italians. They had Carcanos, in mainly 6.8mm or so I've heard. Then the French gave them some of the rifles left over from before the German conquest from Vichy stocks, they were either 8mm  (mainly Berthiers) or 7.5mm (mainly mas-36s). I figured on the latter, the French would probably want to give the good weapons to make up for giving over so few of their captured German kit. So not one, but three calibers right there.

April 2, 2016 at 3:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Plus, its difficult for me, as the aouthor, to keep track of :-)


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April 3, 2016 at 3:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at April 3, 2016 at 3:32 AM

Plus, its difficult for me, as the aouthor, to keep track of :-)


Belive me, I understand.:)

April 6, 2016 at 4:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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or even spell correctly it seems!!!!!

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April 7, 2016 at 3:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Believe me, I understand. I was wondering what would the French be doing with the Berthiers. Would they be putting them in a storeroom? Arming Kommando type militias? Equiping North African troops?

April 16, 2016 at 2:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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In the present climate, i doubt anyone will be looking to throw weapons away if they can function and are fit for purpose. Clearly, RG is moving into an environment where bolt action is less desirable, but such weapons will be present for some time to come. There's a lot to choose from out there, but if the French cannot find use for them in their immediate plans, then they would go into store for now.

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April 16, 2016 at 3:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at April 1, 2016 at 2:10 AM

Not really, over and above any they picked up along the way. The key issue for me tends to be logistics, and multi types ruins logistic support.

Well, I just thought that if you considered giving them Springfields in the past, then maybe you thought about giving them M1917 Enfields as well.

May 4, 2016 at 1:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Fair comment. There are men to be armed and , in some ways, anything available would be pressed i nto their greedy hands. As ever, logistics, logistics, logistics :-)

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May 5, 2016 at 5:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've been thinking about a pic I wanted to do or make like for RG. It's a Spanish soldier in a Spanish origin uniform with a Spanish origin helmet, but who also has US issue webbing, maybe US issue boots and a coulple of American Mk 2 pineapple grenades, and carring a French MAS-36 rifle. Would that be a accurate description for some of the Spanish troops in the RG universe?

September 9, 2016 at 12:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seems reasonable. german webbing would of course be more likely in the earlier deployments. The MAS,Kar-98k woudl be equally applicable, as would the Carcano 1891 I suspect.... but i know you like your MAS :-) 

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September 9, 2016 at 4:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 9, 2016 at 4:17 AM

Seems reasonable. german webbing would of course be more likely in the earlier deployments. The MAS,Kar-98k woudl be equally applicable, as would the Carcano 1891 I suspect.... but i know you like your MAS :-) 

"as would the Carcano 1891 I suspect." No doubt. Original long rifle or 91/38 short version? :) Other rifles that could see use are other Mauser types such as the Czech Vz. 24, the Polish wz.29 or the native modelo 1943.

September 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Both versions were in Spanish hands long after WW2 I believe.


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September 10, 2016 at 2:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 10, 2016 at 2:45 AM

Both versions were in Spanish hands long after WW2 I believe.


You talking about the Carcanos?

September 10, 2016 at 6:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 10, 2016 at 2:45 AM

Both versions were in Spanish hands long after WW2 I believe.


Indeed I am :-)

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September 10, 2016 at 5:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 10, 2016 at 5:28 PM

gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 10, 2016 at 2:45 AM

Both versions were in Spanish hands long after WW2 I believe.


Indeed I am :-)

I didn't know that they had Carcanos. I knew that there was an Italian Expeditionary Corps that fought on the side of Franco and the Nationalists, and that they no doubt had Carcanos, but I figured that A. they would have all been the original long rifles, and I don't recall hearing that the Italians gave their rifles to their Spanish allies,  and B. the Short Rifle was produced in 1940 or so, after the Spanish Civil War.

September 11, 2016 at 3:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at September 9, 2016 at 4:17 AM

Seems reasonable. german webbing would of course be more likely in the earlier deployments. The MAS,Kar-98k woudl be equally applicable, as would the Carcano 1891 I suspect.... but i know you like your MAS :-) 

Would Spanish Modelo 1943, or Czech vz 24, or Polish wz 1929 Mauser type rifles, or Berthiers be at all common or present? The thought just occured to me.

October 29, 2016 at 9:27 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I see no reason to fly in the face of that. I will have more time to consider such questions as Im about to publish the latest tome :-)

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October 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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gee_colin@yahoo.co.uk at October 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM

I see no reason to fly in the face of that. I will have more time to consider such questions as Im about to publish the latest tome :-)

I can't wait.

October 30, 2016 at 10:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Keith Lange
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I apologize if I seem too prying. I sometimes get curious about various things. 

October 31, 2016 at 11:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not a problem. I suspect sometimes that you seek detail that has not fallen under my gaze, or is something that simply needs no mention in the book. Perhaps because you enquire, such stuff should be mentioned :-)
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